Appeal for funds

The Save Dreamland Campaign was launched by Joyland Books in January 2003 and is now supported by several thousand people. This is the place to discuss all aspects of saving Margate's famous amusement park and its iconic , Grade II listed Scenic Railway, Britain's oldest roller coaster.

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Postby furie » 02 Nov 2007, 11:06

Front page news item on CoasterForce (for all the good it'll do with some of our miserable gits ;) :lol: ).

http://www.coasterforce.com/

Ian from Coasterforce wrote:Ok, it's a tight time of year and I'm trying to clear debts but I can probably squeeze a few quid into the fund.

I don't want to put a negative spin on this but should the funds not be raised, what will happen to my donation? Will I get it back? I wouldn't want it used for something else.


Which I think is a good question? If people are willing to put in to save the Chute, but the money can't be raised, what will happen to the funds?
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Postby Jim Douglas Jr. » 02 Nov 2007, 15:39

The general campaign always needs funds.
Don't think of it as for just the chute, think of it as for Dreamland.
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Postby furie » 02 Nov 2007, 16:00

I don't have a problem with that Jim, as I'm a supporter of the campaign as a whole. I've been keenly interested for over 12 months now, and my interest wont drop, I'm in it for the long haul :)

However, if we're asking people specifically for cash to save a coaster, then that's different to people supporting the campaign. Ian is a good example. The campaign for him is just something happening which will take years. He'll go to Dreamland if it's open and support with his custom. He'll be interested in new developments too, and will be excited by the idea of a new park. However, he doesn't want to be at the coal face. It's all something which will happen with or without him.

However, as a coaster enthusiast, to be asked directly to contribute towards saving a actual roller coaster, he's directly interested. It's not some vague plan in the middle of a political quagmire, but an opportunity to, this minute, make a difference.

Once the chute is secured, then it falls of his radar again, until it opens and he can go on the ride he put forward some money to directly save.

We could pour our life savings for the rest of our lives into Dreamland and heritage park, and it would still need more. That's the nature of the beast, and a tenner now wont change that down the line. It could however make the difference to the chute, but if it doesn't, then Ian doesn't just want his money vanishing into the black hole which is a park in the making.

I hope that makes some sense. To those of us already time, effort and enthusiasm committed, it's fine to put in the money to the campaign as a whole, it's money where our mouths are time. For people who are essentially strangers to the campaign, they want a few more assurances?
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Postby Jim Douglas Jr. » 02 Nov 2007, 18:12

Maybe this is where my high post count, IMs, and PMs to people have changed things. I've gotten to know some of the players here.
I trust Sarah and Nick with whatever they decide the money ultimately needs to be used for.
In for a penny, in for a pound. When it comes to the point they're asking for something quick, you can bet your last coin they're honestly in need.

I certainly don't need to throw money away, I'm living pretty much paycheck to paycheck too, but when I donate, I do so with no regrets. Once it's gone, it's gone and you can only hope for the best.

When there's a will, there's a way. Have a garage/yard/sidewalk sale. Get rid of unwanted items, and donate proceeds.
While I completely understand people's feelings, the endless talk about injustice doesn't do anything. Save Dreamland is up against organizations with large budgets, and to accomplish anything, they need cashflow.

Anything helps.
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Postby EAS » 02 Nov 2007, 18:27

Wish though we were a charitable trust, so donations could be Gift Aided.

But so agree - every quid helps. I haven't asked where the cash has come from so far, but I suspect someone's personal account.

Send that cheque to Sarah! Save Dreamland Trust!
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Postby Nick » 02 Nov 2007, 19:43

In answer to the question about what will happen to the money if the funds are not raised: The approx £2k we need is to cover the costs of dismantling the ride and transporting it from North Wales to Thanet. As we have already dismantled it and the ride has now been moved as of yesterday, this money is essentially already committed. If we cannot make up the full £2k needed (although I must say, we are now well on the way thanks to all the generous donations we have received), then the Trust will make up the difference from its own (very tiny) bank account.

This funding is just to keep the Heritage Park project alive until the ownership of Dreamland is finalised and the plans start moving forward formally. In my view, the Water Chute - as the last of its kind - was one of the few essentials for making the Heritage Amusement Park viable as a project. We have lost most of our amusement park heritage over the last couple of years and there would not have been enough of it left to make the project worthwhile. We cannot turn the clock back in six months time when the project starts moving - we have to take these opportunities now.

I believe there is now a very strong chance that the Heritage Amusement Park will happen. The Council now backs the retention of most of Dreamland as an amusement park - we have all seen the Planning Brief. Officers and councillors at TDC have been extremely helpful over the past few days with the Water Chute, which is more evidence of their genuine commitment. I am confident that once the ownership of Dreamland is resolved, this project will start moving forward and various substantial funding sources can be explored further.

We are also in discussions with the Charity Commission about converting the Dreamland Trust to charitable status. This is a long and complex process, which Susan Marsh is leading on, but I think we will get there in the end.
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Postby Busheyfields » 02 Nov 2007, 22:20

Cheque for £25 on its way to you Sarah by 1st class post, only sorry it couldn't be more.
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Postby AJ » 03 Nov 2007, 11:29

As I'm extremly lazy and hate using cheques can you paypal over a donation?
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Postby EAS » 03 Nov 2007, 12:35

While I am sure all methods of payment are welcome, I gather though that cheques are best as they incur no fees.

So every penny goes to the fund.

I hate cheques too as I'm lazy and in a rural area and so the post is iffy etc, but I have ours (two campaign members) here ready to post to Sarah...

Re charity status - I do know from personal experience the complexities of setting one up, but in the long term it will open up many funding channels and gift aid on donations. So my thoughts are with you, it's hard work and very much appreciated by us all I think!
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Postby Jim Douglas Jr. » 03 Nov 2007, 15:41

Email Sarah.
She can accept PayPal.
I believe the fee is 1.5% or so, so just added a pound to cover it.
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Postby EAS » 03 Nov 2007, 16:43

Well, our cheque is in the post, which is collected at 2.30 tomorrow.

Should arrive .... ooh, midweek? It's a long way!
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Postby Sarah » 03 Nov 2007, 20:15

To explain the Paypal situation: I have a Paypal account, so it is possible to pay money into my account and I will then write out a cheque (because I know where my cheque book is!!).

However, I wasn't keen to push this option because a) it incurs fees and b) it makes me slightly uncomfortable asking complete strangers to pay money into my personal account.

If those of you who know me well enough to trust that I'm not going to abscond to the Caribbean with the funds - hmm, Canvey Island more realistically - want to pay with Paypal then that's fine, just email me and I'll send you the details.

Thanks to everyone who has pledged donations so far. And please stop apologising for so-called 'small' and 'modest' amounts - they all mount up and we're grateful for all contributions.

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Postby EAS » 03 Nov 2007, 21:35

If the campaign has a bank account - is it not possible simply to do an online transfer (for those of us with online banking...)?

Also - I have put in a note to say that if the cash is raised and is more than that required for the chute, happy for our modest sum to go in general funds.

May be a good idea if others put that in writing also?
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Postby furie » 04 Nov 2007, 09:56

Thanks for the reply Nick, it's all sounding quite positive.

I've posted your reply over on CoasterForce and hopefully some more people will come forwards now.

I'll get my cheque in the post tonight.
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Postby vince69619 » 04 Nov 2007, 10:23

Mine and Nicky's contribution (plus fees) is now in Sarah's 'Abscond to Canvey' account :wink:, because I am also too busy to find a cheque book!

It would be good to know at some point how well we do with this, and thanks to those that have contributed, whatever amount.

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