Planning Permission Complaint

[Bob]

Firstly, some clarification: Amusement park rides within an established amusement park do not need planning permission under Part 28 of the General Permitted Development Order 1995 (as long as they are less than 25m high, and as long as permitted development rights have not been removed by the Council). Unfortunately, the Big Wheel is probably over 25 metres and does not sit inside the amusement park.

However, I doubt you will find any complaints from members of this campaign as this is exactly the sort of thing we want to see. Siting it in the new entrance, right on the seafront, is quite an inspired idea.

Of course, like the fences, the Council may well ask you to apply for planning permission retrospectively. However, unlike the fences, I would expect permission to be granted as a structure like this is entirely appropriate on this sea front location.

I hope this clears things up.

Nick

I take it you will all be complaining to TDC complaining about it being put up on a listed building site without planning permission.

You have spouted long and hard about anything being put up on a listed building site must have planning permission. Now you are back peddling furiously as are the rest of the Save Dreamland Campaign members. So rules only apply when it suits you. What a bunch of hypocrites.

So when it suites you anything goes ?

[Bob]

TDC have now recieved several complaints about the big Wheel being errected on the Dreamland site .

How would you know?

Sources

[dave771]

Again Bob talking crap again, we have said that the wheel going up is a good thing, its nothing to do with listing on the site its to do with planning permission for a 140feet structure. So again your talking rubbish pretty much the same as usual. As usual I very much doubt a valid response from you as you never have before!

[Bob]

Again Bob talking crap again, we have said that the wheel going up is a good thing, its nothing to do with listing on the site its to do with planning permission for a 140feet structure. So again your talking rubbish pretty much the same as usual. As usual I very much doubt a valid response from you as you never have before!

You are the very same people claiming that everything within the curtilige of a listed building requires planing permission. Now you are saying you do not care. I think its you that are talking C**p

[dave771]

Again you have it all wrong, we mentioned the curtilage of a listed building regarding the five demolitions that were refused. Totally different to the erection of a huge structure without planning permission. Two different issues but seems that having to deal with more than one thing confuses you too much. One other thing, at least I am not the one hiding who I really am, care to tell us who you are yet?

[AJ]

But Bob when did the site of Mr G's come under Dreamland?

[Bob]

TDC have now recieved several complaints about the big Wheel being errected on the Dreamland site .

How would you know?

I have my sources. It is currently touch and go as to whether the big wheel will be permitted to remain on site. It will in any case currently not be able to operate as it does not have a current Safety Certificate.

[Nick]

You are the very same people claiming that everything within the curtilige of a listed building requires planing permission. Now you are saying you do not care. I think its you that are talking C**p

You are confusing numerous things in that one post, Bob.

1. Whether something needs planning permission has nothing at all to do with whether it is in the curtilage of the listed building. I assume that you have raised this is in reference to the fences and the fact that some members of the campaign have stated that they should be removed. The fences need planning permission because fences need planning permission, not because they are in the curtilage of a listed building. The Big Wheel also needs planning permission.

2. The 'curtilage of a listed building' point you make relates (I believe) to the proposed demolition of curtilage listed buildings in Dreamland, and the fact that the campaign formally objected. You are not, to the best of my knowledge, proposing to demolish a listed building to erect the big wheel, are you? So what is the relevance of that point?

3. You might be interested to know that the Big Wheel is in any event not being erected within the curtilage of a listed building. So even if being in the curtilage of a listed building was in the slightest bit relevant, the Big Wheel is being erected on the site of the former Mr G's amusement arcade, which I believe was not listed. So your entire post is irrelevant, but amusing nonetheless.

Personally, I think the Big Wheel looks fantastic, and is just the sort of thing that Margate seafront needs to add excitement and movement. But the fact that the majority of campaigners appear to like it does not remove the requirement to apply for planning permission. Unfortunately, the Save Dreamland Campaign does not create and enact planning legislation. Blame Tony Blair, who brought in the Planning & Compulsory Purchase Act 2004.

[Vince, Charlie and Sam]

TDC have now recieved several complaints about the big Wheel being errected on the Dreamland site .

How would you know?

Sources

I could really see no reason why Thanet District Council would have a problem granting planning permission for an amusement park to have an amusement ride.


I don't know if you are new to the internet, but it is usual when making a claim, to back that claim up with some kind of evidence. What you are doing is "handwaving", and it really isn't going to bring anybody around to your point of view.


I really don't know why you are still hiding behind this silly "Bob" persona Barry. We all know who you are- how much credence can we give to the views of a man who can't even be honest about his own identity?

[Killa]

what do you mean it doesnt have a safety certificate? are you meaning to say M&D's travel a hugely modern expensive machine without safety certificate meaning uninsured---i highly doubt it.

what do you mean by that?

[Jim Douglas Jr.]

Arguement is just what Bob wants.
I suggest we not comment on his postings. Simply ignore them and continue on.
I'm as guilty as the next guy, but I've decided that what he posts is so obviously rubbish, it's no longer worth my time to bother replying.

[Vince, Charlie and Sam]

All fairground rides need an ADIPS certificate. A ride like this ferris wheel would be inspected and certificated within a day, and a modern, well maintained ride would have no difficulty in passing the ADIPS test.

Basically, ADIPS is a fairground ride's equivalent of the MOT test for cars.

Barry Moss ("Bob") is Dreamland's General Manager and knows ADIPS rules off by heart. Why he has posted this nonsense about the Big Wheel "not having a current safety certificate" is beyond me.

[Jim Douglas Jr.]

Are we sure Bob and Barry are the same person?
Why would Waterbridge employ such a childish and inept person to manage the property?

[taffy]

I agree.

Bob can't possibly be involved with amusement parks or rides. He doesn't seem to know anything about them.

He does have 'sources' though....... Easy way of claiming anything you want really.


Taffy

[Vince, Charlie and Sam]

Bob can't possibly be involved with amusement parks or rides. He doesn't seem to know anything about them.

"Bob" is Barry Moss, Dreamland's general manager and a Godden employee for a number of years.

You will note that he will not return to this thread to deny this. Barry's usual practice when "outed" is to completely- albeit temporarily- disappear from our forum.

However, he just can't help peeking at it through his fingers and I can guarantee that he will be back in a fortnight or so to spout some more twaddle, having deluded himself that we have all forgotten who he is.

Barry is simply here to brown-nose his employer, and deserves the appropriate contempt for someone who has nothing better do do in his off-duty time.