Joyland Books

With the uncertainty out of the way with the clear vote from TDC for the preferred option C the way is now clear to move forward with the redevelopment of Dreamland once planning permision has been given for the demolition of the ancilary buildings. Margate will have a new Dreamland that meets the demands & requirements of today. A pleasant mix or Amusement Park & retail & leisure. An attraction Margate can be proud of.

I think you will find that it now goes to public consultation and that the prefered option has not become part of local plan as it has not been adopted as yet. Also the demolitions have still not been granted permission. You say that it will have an amusement park on this so called new development so can you tell us why MTCRC will not work with Phillip Miller or a similar operator to achieve this for the Dreamland site? It is common knowledge that he is willing to work woth Waterbridge on this matter. Bringing in a travelling fair is a very short term solution and cannot invest the amount that the likes of Mr Miller could do with the site so therefore cannot be the best way forward at this time especially as the operators Waterbridge are in talks with have previously said they would not return to the site and that it doesnt make money, unless of course thats the plan to ensure an amusement park does not work on the site, im sure if you do reply to this post Bob it will be totally irrelevant to what I have said and you will spout the usual comments you come up with. If you could get to the point and be more specific I am sure you would gain so much more support from the members of this campaign if we all had some idea of what it is you are actually getting at.

Bob wrote:With the uncertainty out of the way with the clear vote from TDC for the preferred option C the way is now clear to move forward with the redevelopment of Dreamland once planning permision has been given for the demolition of the ancilary buildings. Margate will have a new Dreamland that meets the demands & requirements of today. A pleasant mix or Amusement Park & retail & leisure. An attraction Margate can be proud of.

THE UNCERTAINTY IS FAR FROM OUT OF THE WAY AND I CAN ASURE YOU WE WILL STILL OBJECT TO THE PLANNING PERMISION.

BOB A NEW FIGHT HAS JUST BEGUN AND I AM SURE THE CAMPAIGN WILL GO FROM STRENGHT TO STRENGHT.

It was only a clear vote if you discount all of the Labour group. And, given that we have elections next year and you never know who will take control, it would be unwise to do that Bob, even by your usual myopic standards (go look it up).

Sadly - for you - there will be a six-week period of public consultation and the matter will then be referred back to Council. In the meantime, the Secretary of State may call in this decision.

There was an opportunity to clear up the uncertainty last night, but the Council - or, to be more accurate, our ruling Conservative group - chose not to take it. Uncertainty out of the way? Oh, I think not.

And, golly, your line about a "pleasant mix" has got me fired up. That's inspirational stuff that is. With that kind of vision you should stand for Council.

Once again, did you attend the meeting? Or are you not that interested really?

Sarah

[sarcasm]
Oh thanks for clearing that up "Bob". We'll all go away and leave the developers in peace now. Thanks.
[/sarcasm]


"Bob" : Any chance of revealing the full plans for the use of the site? I just wondered if you can explain how the developers are going to recoup their investment purely by means of leisure use. Option "C" that you seem so fond of heavily promotes leisure use, accompanied by very limited retail use. No housing use (currently a higher profit margin than business and leisure use) is currently specified.

It's just that I'm finding it a little tricky to think of "alternative" leisure uses as covered by Option "C" that would bring in high enough revenues to satisfy investors.

Thanks

Sarah wrote:It was only a clear vote if you discount all of the Labour group. And, given that we have elections next year and you never know who will take control, it would be unwise to do that Bob, even by your usual myopic standards (go look it up).

Sadly - for you - there will be a six-week period of public consultation and the matter will then be referred back to Council. In the meantime, the Secretary of State may call in this decision.

There was an opportunity to clear up the uncertainty last night, but the Council - or, to be more accurate, our ruling Conservative group - chose not to take it. Uncertainty out of the way? Oh, I think not.

And, golly, your line about a "pleasant mix" has got me fired up. That's inspirational stuff that is. With that kind of vision you should stand for Council.

Once again, did you attend the meeting? Or are you not that interested really?

Sarah

Yes there will be a 6 week consultation period which will enable Dreamland & the Council to explain more fully why option C is the most sensible option. The fact that option C is best is beyond any reasonable doubt. People here continue to make there own ideas up of what option C is. It does not involve building a huge road through Dreamland. It does not involve building a large supermarket or turning it into a housing estate. That is pure fiction. Yes the site has to be proven to be financially viable but that is stating the obvious. The council has a duty to state this as the site must not become a burden on the taxpayers of Thanet.

I do now seriously feel that the "Save Dreamland Campaign" is now having a very negative impact on Dreamland and wanting to stand in the way of every opportunity that is put forward to save Dreamland by redeveloping it.

You cannot turn the clock back to the seventies & eighties. People no longer visit UK seaside resorts in any significan numbers. This has been a very long term trend and the number of vistors is continuing to fall. You will find that no major Theme Park has ever been built anywhere near the coast

Dreamland is close to reaching the end of the line. If the current proposed redevelopment fails then there is a very high probability that option C will be dropped in favour of building housing & retail on almost all of the site except for the scenic railway and immediate area.

Bob wrote:The fact that option C is best is beyond any reasonable doubt.

It does not involve building a large supermarket or turning it into a housing estate.

The council has a duty to state this as the site must not become a burden on the taxpayers of Thanet.

You will find that no major Theme Park has ever been built anywhere near the coast

Not wishing to comment on all your points (which are the same ones you have been making again, and again)...but

Option C is best - Best for whom? I would suggest it is best for the owners of the site...not best for the residents and tourism businesses of Margate.

If it doesn't involve turning it into a Housing Estate, please explain the headlines in the Thanet Times "D-DAY FOR DREAMLAND AS COUNCIL VOTES ON FUTURE - Homes will be built if fun park will make a loss, says council"

A privately-owned Amusement park does not have any impact on Council Tax.

Major parks built near the coast:
Blackpool Pleasure Beach
Great Yarmouth Pleasure Beach
Pleasure Island, Cleethorpes
Adventure Island, Southend
Pleasureland, Southport
Frontierlend, Morecambe
Fantasy Island, Ingoldmells, Skegness
Pleasurewood Hills, Lowestoft

What was your point exactly?

David.

David Ellis wrote:

Bob wrote:The fact that option C is best is beyond any reasonable doubt.

It does not involve building a large supermarket or turning it into a housing estate.

The council has a duty to state this as the site must not become a burden on the taxpayers of Thanet.

You will find that no major Theme Park has ever been built anywhere near the coast

Not wishing to comment on all your points (which are the same ones you have been making again, and again)...but

Option C is best - Best for whom? I would suggest it is best for the owners of the site...not best for the residents and tourism businesses of Margate.

If it doesn't involve turning it into a Housing Estate, please explain the headlines in the Thanet Times "D-DAY FOR DREAMLAND AS COUNCIL VOTES ON FUTURE - Homes will be built if fun park will make a loss, says council"

A privately-owned Amusement park does not have any impact on Council Tax.

Major parks built near the coast:
Blackpool Pleasure Beach
Great Yarmouth Pleasure Beach
Pleasure Island, Cleethorpes
Adventure Island, Southend
Pleasureland, Southport
Frontierlend, Morecambe
Fantasy Island, Ingoldmells, Skegness
Pleasurewood Hills, Lowestoft

What was your point exactly?

David.

Quite a number o those you list have Closed others are likely to close

What was your point ?

[quote]Major parks built near the coast:
Blackpool Pleasure Beach
Great Yarmouth Pleasure Beach
Pleasure Island, Cleethorpes
Adventure Island, Southend
Pleasureland, Southport
Frontierlend, Morecambe
Fantasy Island, Ingoldmells, Skegness
Pleasurewood Hills, Lowestoft

What was your point exactly?

David.


Quite a number o those you list have Closed others are likely to close

What was your point ?

Bob

Now I can see the problem with Bob, He can not count higher then one.

Alan

So we are getting to the nitty gritty, nearer the truth element, i.e. Bob's comments regarding the Dreamland site being a burden to the Thanet Council Tax payer.

I suppose this will be the basis of the forthcoming 'loaded questionnaire' at your next, how many is it now? consultation.

You must think we all came down with the last shower!

Any chance of a simple answer to what I posted Bob ? Is an amusement park still part of your plans for the site? will it be a permanent feature or just a three - five year lease? Are Waterbridge intrested in working with an operator that wil create a great fun park with your development? That seems the best way forward and is what we have said all along, but you never respond to anything that is put to you.

Bob wrote:

David Ellis wrote:Major parks built near the coast:
Blackpool Pleasure Beach
Great Yarmouth Pleasure Beach
Pleasure Island, Cleethorpes
Adventure Island, Southend
Pleasureland, Southport
Frontierlend, Morecambe
Fantasy Island, Ingoldmells, Skegness
Pleasurewood Hills, Lowestoft

What was your point exactly?
David.

Quite a number o those you list have Closed others are likely to close

Blackpool Pleasure Beach - No danger of closing
Great Yarmouth Pleasure Beach - No danger of closing
Pleasure Island, Cleethorpes - No danger of closing
Adventure Island, Southend - No danger of closing
Pleasureland, Southport - No danger of closing
Fantasy Island, Ingoldmells, Skegness - No danger of closing
Pleasurewood Hills, Lowestoft - No danger of closing

Frontierlend, Morecambe - closed (the only one Bob!)...and look what has happened to Morecambe since the lifeblood of the tourism closed...Morecambe has pretty much died.

This is why we support Dreamland as a thriving amusement park...Margate could be the next Morecambe if Dreamland is ultimately closed!

David.

Bob

I am sick of hearing the same random junk coming out your mouth.

You keep mentioning how bad the campaign is and how it is causing more harm than

good in the progress of dreamland.

I think what you are trying to say is that it is hindering your progress in destroying it.

David certainly got to the heart of the problem with his comments about Morecambe.

The death of Frontierland was the death of tourism in Morecambe. Lancaster City Council, with their various partners, have unveiled numerous new plans over the years to try and bring some economic viability to the town. The cost to Council Tax Payers must have been enormous.

The reverse has happened in Southport where an improved, regenerated, amusement park has been the catalyst for a tourism revival. Despite Bob's protestations you cannot go back I suggest Southport is a prime example of the fact you can; it has been a very long time since Southport was last viewed as a good place to go for a weekend, or day out for families and suchlike but it is now ..... and they do not have the advantages Margate has of a good beach and the sea ..... they may have the sand but you dont get a visit from the sea often!!!!!

Pleasant mix of retail and leisure?

Westwood Cross is up the road, thats retail, as are parts of Margate High Street

Im sure visitors will be flocking to Margate to go have a look att he new Morrissons in the old Dreamland site