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by **ricardobugsy** » 04 Mar 2006, 19:18

I see that a planning application was put in on 16/12/05 for the erection of a fence to the north of the Dreamland site. This was refused permission on 30/01/06. Is this the same fence that was put up or a different one?

If it is the same fence then I cannot see the Development Company re-applying as permission has already been refused.
Unless they make an application for an alternative fence.
Can anyone clear up the situation for me?

Info from the link below

http://www.ukplanning.com/ukp/showCaseF ... F05%2F1513

by **Nick** » 04 Mar 2006, 19:45

That application was for a fence on the northen boundary of the site. No application has yet (to the best of my knowledge) been submitted for the fencing that has appeared within the park, and in front of the Scenic. The owners have been given 28 days to apply by Thanet District Council (I haven't worked out when the 28 days expires, but it is likely to be in a week or so). If no application is submitted, I expect the Council will commence enforcement proceedings.

Nick

by **Neil** » 04 Mar 2006, 21:56

Well according to the news page the Council wrote on the 14th of February, and as February has 28 days it expires th 14th of March. I'm guessing they'll apply fairly soon, however if they follow this forum (or if one of their friends who do keeps them informed) they've had atleast 3 reminders already that their time is running out.

On the theme of the fence it's good to see that they've won themselves a mention for it in the Thanet Gazette. In this instance I don't believe any publicity is good publicity and what with the consultstion taking place it can't be a bad thing. Further evidence that they either aren''t entirely trustworthy or incompetant and I'm sure when the deadline is reached the campaign will ensure they have to take it down.

The way things have gone recently with the other fence and 5 buildings it will be surprising if they eventually do get planning permission, but I guess we shouldn't be complacent and it would be handy as another excuse to write to the Council and remind them of our views on a few issues.

Nevertheless I believe that Waterbridge will still apply for planning permission as they have underestimated us enough already to know we will notice and act. I also can't help wondering whether they are holding back to make sure the final decission is made after the consultation is finished. If the council push ahead with rejecting the inspector it will make it a bit easier for them to get permission for the fence. Luckily for us it means that at the moment we can concentrate on the consultation and have a bit of time for this side issue when bigger things aren't stealing the lime light so much.

Finally going a little off topic are the Council in any way bound to follow the views expressed in the consultation? If they can choose whether or not to listen I fear we could be wasting our time, yet no harm in trying I suppose.

by **Neil** » 15 Mar 2006, 10:46

Sorry for double posting, but I think the deadline for applying for planning permission for the fence was yesturday. According to the planning site no application has yet been submitted, although I guess the website may not be updated immediately. Hopefully we'll find out the conclusion to this episode in the next couple of days.

by **Sarah** » 15 Mar 2006, 11:43

If no planning application has been submitted the Council will serve an Enforcement Notice. I expect they would be given some time to take the fence down, maybe up to a couple of months.

Sarah

by **Zoidstar** » 15 Mar 2006, 12:59

Or they could get retospect (or what ever the word is_ planning permision

by **vince69619** » 15 Mar 2006, 13:33

I think that you will find this is what they could have applied for up until this point.

Vince.

by **Sarah** » 15 Mar 2006, 13:35

As I understand it, the deadline for applying for retrospective planning permission has just passed. Of course, it's possible they applied just in time and the TDC planning page hasn't been updated yet... but they're usually pretty quick on updating that part of the web site.

Sarah

by **Chris H** » 15 Mar 2006, 13:52

A bit of backhandin the council and and it will all be sweeped under the carpit

by **Neil** » 17 Mar 2006, 19:08

I still can't see an application on the website, so unless I am somehow on an old version it looks like it is time to chase this up. Can we rely on the Council to ue their inititve and take action or do we need to contact them? If the latter do the coordinators want to sort this out themselves or for other members of the camapign to raise it? Thanks.

by **Sarah** » 17 Mar 2006, 19:17

We shouldn't tar everyone at TDC with the same brush. There are some very good officers working away in that ugly building. So far, the Planning Dept has performed its duties very well. I'm confident they will serve an Enforcement Notice, if that's appropriate (ie if Waterbridge haven't applied for permission). And I'll keep an eye on things Neil!

Sarah

by **Nick** » 17 Mar 2006, 20:49

I emailed the same officer who had originally informed me of the '28 days' letter. I sent the email on Thursday but have not received a reply yet. Hopefully I will get a reply on Monday. I am, however, confident that the Council will take the appropriate action.

Nick

by **Neil** » 17 Mar 2006, 22:22

Thanks, it sounds like it's all under control and I'm sorry if I sounded like I was tarring everyone under the same brush. I realise that many Councilors do support us including most/all of labour and perhaps a few Conservatives who were under pressure from the whips. I guess it's also not just about whether they support us, but it's their job to enforce planning laws which they have been doing pretty well. According to the news page they have been sent another reminder so it will be interessting to see how they react. If they apply for planning permission now it will make them look really bad and inefficient/incompetant.

by **Jim Douglas Jr.** » 18 Mar 2006, 20:24

The scary thing is that I don't think anyone here knows what the purpose of the fencing is/was.
Does anyone know.

Had the owners been for saving the park, this wouldn't be an issue. Sometimes fences are needed for projects, but with their current intent, one is left to fear the worst.
Fences are often used during demolition.

by **Chris H** » 18 Mar 2006, 20:42

I don't know for sure

One thing I do know for sure is that Nothing around the back their would be demolished.
The only thing to demolish is the Scenic and as that is already listed. It wouldn't be worth them having a try.

My guess is that they are trying to shrink the park further for example, if they put the fence where it is, the only ride space that is behind that.

When the summer comes along the park will look less impressive therefore this will turn yet more day trippers away.

Then they can prove the park is not viable.

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