Scenic Railway

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Re: Scenic Railway

Postby sparky230 » 15 Oct 2016, 18:29

I cannot comment on what the problem with the Scenic is, But Bob you certainly havn't got a clue about adips inspections. Whilst the cable would have been tested to a static load, it would require a Adips inspection once installed and a loler inspection for lifting regs, if the cable failed either of these it would be rejected. A cable would only ever been tested with a static load, It's impossible to test something like this until installed and run up. It should be possible on the adips register to find out what the problem was.
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Re: Scenic Railway

Postby Bob » 15 Oct 2016, 20:30

sparky230 wrote:I cannot comment on what the problem with the Scenic is, But Bob you certainly havn't got a clue about adips inspections. Whilst the cable would have been tested to a static load, it would require a Adips inspection once installed and a loler inspection for lifting regs, if the cable failed either of these it would be rejected. A cable would only ever been tested with a static load, It's impossible to test something like this until installed and run up. It should be possible on the adips register to find out what the problem was.



I was not implying that it would not need testing on site. I would guess one off the tests would be to run the ride with a dummy load
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Re: Scenic Railway

Postby sparky230 » 16 Oct 2016, 15:48

Dummy load run, stress weight on rope, Suspect it's a Loler problem and a much heavier grade of rope is required to meet todays safety standards.
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Re: Scenic Railway

Postby Vince, Charlie and Sam » 16 Oct 2016, 17:49

Peet wrote:
Sounds like there is still some work to do. I've never heard of a ride being down for so long before due to a technical issue!


Me neither. The whole thing stinks. Control of Dreamland has passed from one group who wanted to redevelop it to another group who want to redevelop it.
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Re: Scenic Railway

Postby porf » 17 Oct 2016, 12:01

A bit of info from the slightly longer article posted recently at http://www.kentonline.co.uk/thanet/news/rollercoaster-derailed-by-fresh-troubles-114203/

New Lift hill cable "on order" - So I guess a further delay is inevitable.

Dreamland spokesman Penny Shorricks said: “Dreamland’s Scenic Railway is out of action despite best efforts by the operators of Dreamland, WGH the providers of the ride, and site owners Thanet District Council.

“Unfortunately the new lift hill rope supplied and spliced in September has not passed the testing phase.

“A bespoke rope is now on order and will be spliced by a preferred supplier, who was not available in September.

“Due to the listed nature of the ride, the work is specialised and requires highly-skilled workmen who have not been readily available over the summer period.

“We thank guests for their patience and appreciate their disappointment that the ride has been out of action for longer than anticipated.

“However, we can reassure everyone the ride will be back up running once the right part is available and is fitted by the right supplier.”
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Re: Scenic Railway

Postby kevin » 17 Oct 2016, 12:47

“Due to the listed nature of the ride, the work is specialised and requires highly-skilled workmen who have not been readily available over the summer period".

B@ll@@ks!
The work has nothing to do with the ride being listed!
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Re: Scenic Railway

Postby Bob » 17 Oct 2016, 21:26

kevin wrote:“Due to the listed nature of the ride, the work is specialised and requires highly-skilled workmen who have not been readily available over the summer period".

B@ll@@ks!
The work has nothing to do with the ride being listed!



Who knows what has gone on. I suspect they simply ordered an unsuitable cable. What they are saying is really just garbage. The fact that the ride is listed has nothing at all to do with fitting a new cable. They need skilled people to fit the cable , well of course they do and to imply that over the entire summer they could not get anyone to fit a cable is rubbish in fact their own web site stated it had been fitted and was being tested are they now trying to say the cable was fitted by persons not qualified to do so? but they say don't worry nit will be working again at some unspecified date in the future

It is not difficult to see why Dreamland has been a financial disaster . These companies make bespoke cable all the time it is the norm you don't buy an off the peg cable. They supply them for cranes and lifts etc and all will be custom made. They cannot explain away a 3 month delay with that load of PR spin
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Re: Scenic Railway

Postby Bob » 17 Oct 2016, 21:29

sparky230 wrote:Dummy load run, stress weight on rope, Suspect it's a Loler problem and a much heavier grade of rope is required to meet todays safety standards.



But hey must have specified the breaking strain of the rope that's a basic part of the specification as will be things like the number of strands and the diameter and any splicing required. I guess they would stress it on the ride but the factory would also have tested and would have provided a test certificate
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Re: Scenic Railway

Postby Bob » 17 Oct 2016, 21:34

Bob wrote:
kevin wrote:“Due to the listed nature of the ride, the work is specialised and requires highly-skilled workmen who have not been readily available over the summer period".

B@ll@@ks!
The work has nothing to do with the ride being listed!



Who knows what has gone on. I suspect they simply ordered an unsuitable cable. What they are saying is really just garbage. The fact that the ride is listed has nothing at all to do with fitting a new cable. They need skilled people to fit the cable , well of course they do and to imply that over the entire summer they could not get anyone to fit a cable is rubbish in fact their own web site stated it had been fitted and was being tested are they now trying to say the cable was fitted by persons not qualified to do so? but they say don't worry it will be working again at some unspecified date in the future



It is not difficult to see why Dreamland has been a financial disaster . These companies make bespoke cable all the time it is the norm you don't buy an off the peg cable. They supply them for cranes and lifts etc and all will be custom made. They cannot explain away a 3 month delay with that load of PR spin
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Re: Scenic Railway

Postby sparky230 » 18 Oct 2016, 23:19

Right done some ringing around, trying to get idea, being an industrial spark, I know contacts in motors and lifting, I'm told 3 months for a specialist lifting cable is not out of the ordinary, My contacts say it's likely theres a problem with the splicing failing, not the ropes, and there a limited number of companies in the Uk that could splice to the likely spec, I'm told the specialists for this sort of work are based in Holland
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Re: Scenic Railway

Postby Peet » 19 Oct 2016, 10:08

That's interesting, thanks!
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Re: Scenic Railway

Postby Bob » 19 Oct 2016, 16:10

sparky230 wrote:Right done some ringing around, trying to get idea, being an industrial spark, I know contacts in motors and lifting, I'm told 3 months for a specialist lifting cable is not out of the ordinary, My contacts say it's likely theres a problem with the splicing failing, not the ropes, and there a limited number of companies in the Uk that could splice to the likely spec, I'm told the specialists for this sort of work are based in Holland


Splicing is a basic part of the work who ever told you that is telling you rubbish. Any UK cable company can splice cables. The lead time on a cable is typically 3 to 6 weeks.
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Re: Scenic Railway

Postby sparky230 » 19 Oct 2016, 17:17

It depends what type of splicing you are refering, A Hydraulic spice with a ferrule, yes ,loads of places can do But a woven spice which I believe is whats needed here is very specialist
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Re: Scenic Railway

Postby Bob » 20 Oct 2016, 10:59

sparky230 wrote:It depends what type of splicing you are refering, A Hydraulic spice with a ferrule, yes ,loads of places can do But a woven spice which I believe is whats needed here is very specialist



Are you sure about that Woven splices are very common in the Marine industry most ships and boats use woven splices
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Re: Scenic Railway

Postby aweber1us » 21 Oct 2016, 19:28

Someone else has worked out what you are full of Bob.
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