Major fire on the Scenic Railway 7th Apr. Suspected arson.

[Susan]

Thanks to Geoffers for amending his post and the PM to me.

Hope everybody else will please be careful what they post.

[Jim Douglas Jr.]

I would, however, suggest that the police be given the IP address of Bob, (moderators should have access to this information; I know I do on my message board), so that he can be questioned.

[Chris H]

How is this police investigation going? Has anyone heard anything and is it still on going?

[Vince, Charlie and Sam]

How is this police investigation going?

What do you think?

[eddiegi686]

I would, however, suggest that the police be given the IP address of Bob, (moderators should have access to this information; I know I do on my message board), so that he can be questioned.

I won't get too technical but for anyone with any Internet knowledge an IP address is next to useless for a home or public PC because of NAT and dynamic addressing (very few internet users can afford their own IP address).

Anyway by the topic this thread should be limited to posts about the incident or closed.

Presumably we'll all hear about it whenever the Police find something concrete.. but without seeing the site and knowing what they have to go on and how clever the perpetrator was I don't think anyone can say.

To be honest I'm just posting to make the opinion known that banning IP addresses is an extremely bad practice considering the modern state of the internet (unless you can proove that the IP is owned by the person you want to ban, 99 times out of 100 this is not the case as IPs are very expensive), and if you start banning IPs then I'm much less likely to use this forum and you stand to ban innocent users by accident when they inadvertantly aquire a rouge IP... of course re-connecting to their ISP will simply give them a new one, unless of course they're unlucky enough to get the same one twice.

Again I'd re-iterate that it's up to the Police to find out what happened, and no amount of accusations will help bring justice unless they're backed by evidence.

Also on the topic of Bob - a user of this forum, it seems that he is just a realist, and is very welcome to his opinions as far as I'm concerned, unless he flames or mistreats users of this forum. Depends on the purpose of the forum, of course remember these forums are more general than just Dreamland and even in a campaign if you ask for public views you may not always get what you want to hear.

To make a short post longer.... I am happy to see the funds raised so far rising! Hopefully it won't be long before good things start to happen in the wake of the incident and before we have some real answers as to who caused the fire.

[EAS]

Sorry, but as one who has read Bob's posts over a considerable period of time, I think I can say the term troll is more accurate than realist. He's not a 'user' - he pops up every now and again, posts arrant nonsense in the main, never engages in any discussion, never answers any questions, cannot substantiate any of the stuff he posts, then vanishes again.

But he keeps us amused.

This is the Save Dreamland campaign, not the 'Dreamland is a waste of time and should be built on' campaign. Which seems to be Bob's view, although I'm not sue that Bob really believes anything, as I said - he's here to troll.

[cliffc]

I would, however, suggest that the police be given the IP address of Bob, (moderators should have access to this information; I know I do on my message board), so that he can be questioned.

Hi Jim

Yes i am sure Bobs IP address will be in the logs of the site, I know that the site i run for fruit machine emulation (i will not go off topic here with a plug if any one wants the url please PM me) will show me the IP address of every user online. However there are many ways to fake your IP address so that the one that appears is not the one you are actually using, I work in IT and i know that there are programs out there so that this can be made easy for people who dont have the knowlage to do it for themselves one such is simply called fake IP, there are many others so even if this IP is given to the police then its not forced to lead to bob, who ever he is, I missed the post that led to all this but u i am assuming he posted something hinting he knew who was responcerble ece.

Cliff C

[EAS]

No, he just posted his usual hit and run nonsense.

I don't think Bob knows much about anything.

[cliffc]

[I won't get too technical but for anyone with any Internet knowledge an IP address is next to useless for a home or public PC because of NAT and dynamic addressing (very few internet users can afford their own IP address).

To be honest I'm just posting to make the opinion known that banning IP addresses is an extremely bad practice considering the modern state of the internet (unless you can proove that the IP is owned by the person you want to ban, 99 times out of 100 this is not the case as IPs are very expensive), and if you start banning IPs then I'm much less likely to use this forum and you stand to ban innocent users by accident when they inadvertantly aquire a rouge IP... of course re-connecting to their ISP will simply give them a new one, unless of course they're unlucky enough to get the same one twice.

Hi

Unless your on dial up then your IP address is semi perminant as mine is this is why i can run my web site from my home PC, if your on broadband cable or DSL and you never switch off your modem you should keep the same IP address. This is because when your ISP assigines your IP address you get it on a lease, with most IPS its 48 hours at a time, if you keep connected when the 48 hours is up the lease will get renewed and you keep the ip address.

So as an example if your IP address is 195.254.5.80 this will remain your IP address while your modem is on you can even switch it off as long a you turn it back on before you lease runs out you will keep that IP address, and you ISP can if requested trace the IP back to the customer who had it assigend to them at that time.

However at the moment i am logged on at work so if one of the admins was to check my ip addy now it would come back to the pool of my company, we only give a lease for 24 hours, but thay could find out which user ID was logged to that IP if requested, but as out gateways are in germany it would look as if i was in Germany.

If at home then i would show my home ISP's IP address.

However blocking a group of IP addresses allthough it can be done its not a good thing as you would prevent access for alot of other users from my ISP if the admins were to decide thay wanted to block my access for example.

Hope this helps a little more

Cliff C

[thanet26294]

You can get a free download from the internet that masks your IP address, everytime you open internet explorer it generates another address, so it can be done. However if need be it can still be traced back to you by the Police

[porf]

All : Can we try and keep on topic please.

No one has made an allegation worthy of police involvement and no-one has mentioned banning anyone via IP address or otherwise.

[EAS]

I would, however, suggest that the police be given the IP address of Bob, (moderators should have access to this information; I know I do on my message board), so that he can be questioned.

I think maybe this was a bit tongue in cheek, 'Bob' not really being a strong supporter of this campaign!

Not sure 'Bob' really exists of course, but not worth treating much he posts at odd intervals seriously. It's mostly half-baked nonsense.

[RowBot]

Save Dreamland Campaign Forum
Joyland Books has launched a campaign to save Dreamland Fun Park (Margate, UK) and its 87-year-old wooden roller coaster, the Scenic Railway. What is your reaction to the news that the park is to close? Should the Scenic Railway be demolished? Post your views here!

As you can see the SDC forums are for everyone to put their point of view across. So lets get back to the subject on hand like porf said

[EAS]

Well, my view is that the Scenic Railway is a Grade II Listed building and should therefore be protected from unwarranted demolition by national law and policies. Anyone apart from Bob disagree with that?

I also believe the Dreamland site should be saved, the Scenic, the cinema, and as much of the site as possible, for an amusement park which is why I support the Save Dreamland Campaign.

Bob seems not to - but as I said, and as most people who read things he posts here on odd occasions will appreciate, he seems not to have much idea of what he's talking about. It's garbled, inaccurate and designed, as far as I can see, simply to stir. All the hallmarks of a troll.

[porf]

I've deleted a post again.

Can I just reiterate the previous advice that we do not want any posts accusing anyone of anything without proof.

This includes veiled suggestions and allusions as to who may have been responsible for the arson attack as well as straightforward accusations.