Redevelopment- a Foregone Conclusion?

[Bob]

Thank you for your clear response Bob.

I quote below the coverage at the time, as it is now 'next year' and the plans presumably are ready, if you are to apply for outline consent, when can we expect to have the consultation?


"Property firm Waterbridge, which bought the Dreamland site earlier this year, says it will ask people what should be done with it. Chairman Toby Hunter said he was determined to create "a world class leisure destination" if people were prepared to move away from the parks "slot machine" image. Mr Hunter said a public consultation on the site's future will be held next year."

There is nothing really to consult on with Outline planning permission it is just a high level proposol for the redevelopment of the site it will contain no detail at all.

[Susan]

I understand what an Outline Planning Application is and the name is quite a good description but you do have to say what it is you are asking outline permission for. These are often used for get a general permission to build something with a more detailed application later.

Redevelopment doesn't tell us anything, what is being planned?

[Bob]

I understand what an Outline Planning Application is and the name is quite a good description but you do have to say what it is you are asking outline permission for. These are often used for get a general permission to build something with a more detailed application later.

Redevelopment doesn't tell us anything, what is being planned?

Outline planing permision is used to get general approval for a development prior to going to the expensive of submitting detailed plans.

I am somewhat surprised that people are objecting to the demolition of ancillary buildings such as an old disused sub station. These are positive steps towards the redevelopment of the site. Something that it badly needs. Can anyone sensible say Dreamland is an attractive site which people will want to visit. It is nowhere near the standard required to meet today’s needs. My understanding is in any case that the Council will have no objections to the demolition of these buildings.

[jmace9]

I understand what an Outline Planning Application is and the name is quite a good description but you do have to say what it is you are asking outline permission for. These are often used for get a general permission to build something with a more detailed application later.

Redevelopment doesn't tell us anything, what is being planned?

Outline planing permision is used to get general approval for a development prior to going to the expensive of submitting detailed plans.

I am somewhat surprised that people are objecting to the demolition of ancillary buildings such as an old disused sub station. These are positive steps towards the redevelopment of the site. Something that it badly needs. Can anyone sensible say Dreamland is an attractive site which people will want to visit. It is nowhere near the standard required to meet today’s needs. My understanding is in any case that the Council will have no objections to the demolition of these buildings.

It was an attractive site before your friends got hold of it !!!

[jmace9]

Hi All

Just to let you know i have recieved a reply from the council today by post saying my objection has been noted and it will be taken in to consideration at the meeting later this month.

John

ps : I know Nick has already pointed this out but when objecting on line you have to object to each indivdual plan.

[David Ellis]

My understanding is in any case that the Council will have no objections to the demolition of these buildings.

...and the evidence of your understanding is based on what facts?

Are you connected in some way to influential Thanet DC members? Are those members declaring their connections to the company and abstaining from any vote? Yes, this is pure supposition...but we would love to know how you know the Council will vote your way.

David.

[Bob]

My understanding is in any case that the Council will have no objections to the demolition of these buildings.

...and the evidence of your understanding is based on what facts?

Are you connected in some way to influential Thanet DC members? Are those members declaring their connections to the company and abstaining from any vote? Yes, this is pure supposition...but we would love to know how you know the Council will vote your way.

David.

I cannot say how they will actually vote. The council though have made their views known on the direction the Dreamland site should be moving. The council are committed to an Amusement Park remaining on the site. They also accept the site is larger then is now needed for an Amusement Park. They have in their Local plan accepted the need for some retail development on the site that would compliment and enhance the site and that will bring more year round jobs to Margate

I find the stance of the Save Dreamland members very odd. They claim to want to Save Dreamland but are then saying they are going to object the Demolition of redundant building on the site that will prevent the redevelopment of Dreamland.

I have yet to see any valid reason being put forward for objecting. Are you saying a rundown old Sub Station & Toilet block are vital parts of Dreamland ? Are you saying they enhance the site.

I suspect it is just an illogical lets object without any of you knowing why you are objecting.

[RowBot]

Bob every building, every light and every blade of grass...all makes dreamland what it is (oh ya sorry no more grass its now a big concrete slab thanks to some ppl). If these buildings where at least restored and attempted to be used into the redevlopment (not development, it's redevelopment of existing buildings) then they would become usefull towards a new Dreamland and would still hold the history of Margate and Dreamland itself but at the same time bring on 2006!

Ian

P.s if we didn't know what we are objecting about then you have no worries and by the way we need to put something into our letters and online comments right?

[Bob]

Bob every building, every light and every blade of grass...all makes dreamland what it is (oh ya sorry no more grass its now a big concrete slab thanks to some ppl). If these buildings where at least restored and attempted to be used into the redevlopment (not development, it's redevelopment of existing buildings) then they would become usefull towards a new Dreamland and would still hold the history of Margate and Dreamland itself but at the same time bring on 2006!

Ian

P.s if we didn't know what we are objecting about then you have no worries and by the way we need to put something into our letters and online comments right?

Ah so you will be able to describe this building and state exactlt where they are on the Dreamland site & the condition they are in ? and how they will enhance Dreamland ?

[Susan]

Bob you really dont seem to be getting the message.

The condition these buildings are in is entirely down to the people who have owned and managed the Dreamland site.

The fact they have been neglected does not feature in the reasons for demolition, quite the contrary the guidance specifies that this is not good reason.

It would seem you must share responsibility for this state of affairs.

As to asking where they are that really is plain stupid do you want a map drawing, it is quite insulting to suggest that we would blindly object without knowing what they were and where they were.

But there again that might be how you conduct your business.

However none of this alters the fact they are listed buildings or buildings in a conservation area and there is clear guidance on when demolition can be considered. Many on this forum do not believe the applications meet the criteria and will, quite properly, object.

[Bob]

Bob you really dont seem to be getting the message.

The condition these buildings are in is entirely down to the people who have owned and managed the Dreamland site.

The fact they have been neglected does not feature in the reasons for demolition, quite the contrary the guidance specifies that this is not good reason.

It would seem you must share responsibility for this state of affairs.

As to asking where they are that really is plain stupid do you want a map drawing, it is quite insulting to suggest that we would blindly object without knowing what they were and where they were.

But there again that might be how you conduct your business.

However none of this alters the fact they are listed buildings or buildings in a conservation area and there is clear guidance on when demolition can be considered. Many on this forum do not believe the applications meet the criteria and will, quite properly, object.

The application fully meet the requirements and guidence given for the demolition of ancillery buildings within the curtilege of a listed building.

[Vince, Charlie and Sam]

And besides which, if permission for demolition isn't granted they will simply burn down in mysterious circumstances.

[Killa]

the bad guy always gets caught dont worry about it.

[Chris H]

Good one, I like that

[Neil]

The application fully meet the requirements and guidence given for the demolition of ancillery buildings within the curtilege of a listed building.

In that case you won't mind us objecting because if it does meet all requirements then we won't get anywhere so you may as well sit back and laugh at us wasting our time. Seriously we live in a democracy which means we have the right to object and let's face it-you won't convince us.

Also where on earth did you pluck the figure "£5,000,000" from for a major ride and why do you think white knuckle rides cost more than family rides. Big Thunder Mountain is a middling family coaster, but also one of the most expensive in Europe (£16,000,000). It's true that rides for under 8's normally come out much cheaper than other rides, but if you're right and the lower the age the lower their representation in Margate's population then the last thing an operator will want to do is appeal only to the under 8's.

Drayton Manor have never spent more than £4 million on a ride, yet if Drreamland can reach this kind of scale we'll all be chuffed. Legoland also havn't built that high budget rides but are a howling success. There is a lot of factors that contribute to an amusement park's success and while the cost of rides is one of them it is by no means the only factor.