fantastic news dreamland to open from 1st april 31st october

[vince69619]

Proposed Dreamland Park...

So where is the proposal and the approved planning application?

Same old Bob/Barry - no answers.

[Chris H]

I think weve settled this one now Vince

Bob has got something to hide

[Bob]

Proposed Dreamland Park...

So where is the proposal and the approved planning application?

Same old Bob/Barry - no answers.

The detailed plans will be made available to the public for inspection once they have been submitted for planning approval. We cannot be seem to be favouring an particular group by giving them advance visabilty of them particularly as the Save Dreamland Campaign are now backing the proposals for the Dreamland Leisure Park. We have to be seen to be fair to the whole community.

[Sarah]

particularly as the Save Dreamland Campaign are now backing the proposals for the Dreamland Leisure Park

Just feel like I need to say this: THE SAVE DREAMLAND CAMPAIGN ARE NOT BACKING THE PROPOSALS FOR THE DREAMLAND LEISURE PARK.

Don't even think about telling your superiors or your friends at TDC that we are either.

On a side issue, interesting that both Bob and whoever drafted the advert for Dreamland (on the News page) have problems with spelling visible/visibility.

Sarah

[Bob]

particularly as the Save Dreamland Campaign are now backing the proposals for the Dreamland Leisure Park

Just feel like I need to say this: THE SAVE DREAMLAND CAMPAIGN ARE NOT BACKING THE PROPOSALS FOR THE DREAMLAND LEISURE PARK.

Don't even think about telling your superiors or your friends at TDC that we are either.

On a side issue, interesting that both Bob and whoever drafted the advert for Dreamland (on the News page) have problems with spelling visible/visibility.

Sarah

"great news for dreamland great news for 2006 and great news for margate , plus the ghost of margate may be comming back another big wheel , and if located in the same possition as the original it will be like your in heaven and will bring back so many memories , with the big wheel gone at the end of the 1997 season , we havent had a wheel or big wheel for 8 long years , i cant wait to see another this year if there sucsessfull in getting another one"


Sorry Sarah but people on here are backing it. Read the post above. We are therefore entilled to say that sSave Dreamland Campaigners are supporting our plans. That is a statement based on fact.

[Susan]

Bob

Earlier today I said you were being disingenuous and your latest posting only provides further evidence.

Because someone shows some pleasure at the prospect of a fairground on part of the Dreamland site, as opposed to there being nothing, you cannot suggest this is an official statement from the Campaign, or even indicative of the views of the supporters.

This Forum is open and allows postings from anyone wishing to put something on, if it weren't you would not be able to post. As you well know there have been calls for you to be banned but many have supported your right to put your point of view, albeit a rather different one than the Campaign.

Some temporary pitches during summer 2006 are not the development, as you well know, so any comment about that is entirely different to a response about your company's plans.

All the current postings are doing is persuading me that the company we are dealing with are not really interested in consultation but prefer to play childish games.

If you were experienced in these matters you would know the first thing a developer tries to do is work with the opposition and talk through plans, gauge the problems ahead and how to work with everybody. Your declared intention to just make a planning application says far more about you than it does about us.

[Alan]

Sing............ Bob bob bob, Bob bob bob, Bob bob bob, Bob bob bob, Bob bob bob, Bob bob bob, Bob bob bob, Bob bob bob, Bob bob bob, Bob bob bob.





Bob am i singing your song ? .......................... I don't think-so !



Save Dreamland Campaign is NOT supporting you.

[Gary]

I'm tut tutting (but also secretly smiling) at your tactics here Bob..

How about we turn things around and start saying things like "Developers agree with Save Dreamland Campaign..?"

Game On.

[vince69619]

Gary - Love the idea, wonder if Nick will put this on the front page "Developers agree with Save Dreamland Campaign..?"

Bob, if you place so much value on that comment from one member, can you confirm that exactly the same position as before will be hosting a big wheel of simular grandure? Let me make it simple for you, the answer to exactly this question is no, and the answer to the campaign officially supporting anything blindly is also a NO.

Can you really be so dumb as to think this line is going to get you anywhere?

Vince.

[Bob]

Bob

Earlier today I said you were being disingenuous and your latest posting only provides further evidence.

Because someone shows some pleasure at the prospect of a fairground on part of the Dreamland site, as opposed to there being nothing, you cannot suggest this is an official statement from the Campaign, or even indicative of the views of the supporters.

This Forum is open and allows postings from anyone wishing to put something on, if it weren't you would not be able to post. As you well know there have been calls for you to be banned but many have supported your right to put your point of view, albeit a rather different one than the Campaign.

Some temporary pitches during summer 2006 are not the development, as you well know, so any comment about that is entirely different to a response about your company's plans.

All the current postings are doing is persuading me that the company we are dealing with are not really interested in consultation but prefer to play childish games.

If you were experienced in these matters you would know the first thing a developer tries to do is work with the opposition and talk through plans, gauge the problems ahead and how to work with everybody. Your declared intention to just make a planning application says far more about you than it does about us.

We are working very closely with all the key players and stakeholders in the redevelopment of the Dreamland site. I am unaware of any oposition to the provisional plans. The stakeholders have fully committed to the plans as they stand at present. There is no oppostion to them so I don't know where you are coming from on this.

[Susan]

Bob

I had taken for granted that you were able to read and understand the postings on this forum which have clearly demonstrated objection to a number of suggestions you have made as to what might appear on the Dreamland site.

You have also failed to note the public consultations / polls over recent years; including a most recent one in the local press.

Until you disclose exactly what is planned you are unable to gauge the level of opposition or otherwise but responses to your leisure / retail / childrens rides and Cllr Ezekiel's suggestions must give you a clue.

[marky.com]

If you are working closely with all the key players regarding the redevelopment, why have you developed such an antagonistic relationship with this campaign - a key players itself?

You had an opportunity to openly discuss the proposals in what would have been a balanced and calm manner - which as Susan said, would have been very useful for your future plans - irrespective of what they are.

You have consistently posted opinions as facts, presented plans as if they were already set in concrete and deliberately ignored the vast majority of postings that seek to encourage you to expand upon and justify your remarks. You have also taken comments out of context and I also believe, intended to weaken or damage the campaign - the forum in particular - by ensuring that the centre of attention in most recent topics has been you.

This is very much the manner in which internet trolls act - but your posts and manner lack the intellect, awareness and consistency of those engaging in that activity.

Please be aware that:

1) No-one on here who reads and/or posts with any regularity is remotely taken in by the 'factual' presentation of your posts.
2) The real issue regarding what is occuring at Dreamland is utterly visible and obvious to all.
3) You have not had and will not have any negative effect on the determination of or course of action of the campaign or its forum.
4) Your weakness is your arrogance and the fact that you appear to believe so vehemently that you and your puppeteer will get what you want. You seem to believe that getting one over on people is within your intellectual abilities - yet you have failed on every level to manage this on the forum.
5) Your posts are welcome on here in spite of all this, we all love a laugh and a joke.
6) It's now late on a Sunday and time for me to drink my cocoa, hang up my slippers and say goodnight. So... goodnight!

[Nick]

This thread started because one member was happy to find out that Dreamland would be opening in 2006. I am glad that it is opening too, in the hope that it will be run better than last year's disastrous attempt. But it will still only be a temporary travelling fairground on a part of the site, which does not even come close to our vision for Dreamland.

And don't anybody be fooled by Bob's posts. The public have not been shown Waterbridge's proposals for the future of Dreamland. Margate Town Centre Regeneration Company/Waterbridge have only had private meetings with the Council. There is absolutely nothing for the Save Dreamland Campaign to support, even if we wanted to. Until we see something of what is planned, we will be silent on the matter.

There are, however, a number of things to object to at the moment, such as the proposed demolition of listed buildings, the Conservative councillors' attempt to fudge the Local Plan policy, TDC's seemingly continuous desire to press ahead with its 'plans' for Dreamland, despite what the residents and businesses of the district want to see.

At the moment, we should be focussing our indignation on TDC, not Bob. Until his so-called bosses actually consult on their plans, or even give us a tiny, tiny clue about what they propose for most of the site, we really can't comment.

However, and assuming that Bob is who we have thought him to be for some time, his employer has publicly committed himself to public consultation. So I do question why Waterbridge would submit an application before consulting the public (that is everybody, not just the Save Dreamland Campaign). That doesn't make much sense. Have you been properly briefed, Bob? I know that you are supposed to be Waterbridge's 'man on the ground' in Margate, but you could at least pick up the phone and talk to your Newbury office.

I also question Bob's motives. As a supposed employee of a 'respectable' developer (albeit incognito on these forums), I am surprised that the your bosses are happy that you post in this way, making statements that are primarily designed to antagonise people. It isn't a particularly good way of building a consensus behind Waterbridge's plans for the Dreamland site.

It is fun, though, to read your posts. So you are more than welcome to continue.

Nick

[uvegotmale2000]

wooohoooo,john prescott looks likely to be asked to step in over dreamlands future
john prescott likes hitting people

BOB-somebody to see you lmao

[Bob]

This thread started because one member was happy to find out that Dreamland would be opening in 2006. I am glad that it is opening too, in the hope that it will be run better than last year's disastrous attempt. But it will still only be a temporary travelling fairground on a part of the site, which does not even come close to our vision for Dreamland.

And don't anybody be fooled by Bob's posts. The public have not been shown Waterbridge's proposals for the future of Dreamland. Margate Town Centre Regeneration Company/Waterbridge have only had private meetings with the Council. There is absolutely nothing for the Save Dreamland Campaign to support, even if we wanted to. Until we see something of what is planned, we will be silent on the matter.

There are, however, a number of things to object to at the moment, such as the proposed demolition of listed buildings, the Conservative councillors' attempt to fudge the Local Plan policy, TDC's seemingly continuous desire to press ahead with its 'plans' for Dreamland, despite what the residents and businesses of the district want to see.

At the moment, we should be focussing our indignation on TDC, not Bob. Until his so-called bosses actually consult on their plans, or even give us a tiny, tiny clue about what they propose for most of the site, we really can't comment.

However, and assuming that Bob is who we have thought him to be for some time, his employer has publicly committed himself to public consultation. So I do question why Waterbridge would submit an application before consulting the public (that is everybody, not just the Save Dreamland Campaign). That doesn't make much sense. Have you been properly briefed, Bob? I know that you are supposed to be Waterbridge's 'man on the ground' in Margate, but you could at least pick up the phone and talk to your Newbury office.

I also question Bob's motives. As a supposed employee of a 'respectable' developer (albeit incognito on these forums), I am surprised that the your bosses are happy that you post in this way, making statements that are primarily designed to antagonise people. It isn't a particularly good way of building a consensus behind Waterbridge's plans for the Dreamland site.

It is fun, though, to read your posts. So you are more than welcome to continue.

Nick

I don't think that I have stated that the current plans have been realised for Public Consultation. The plans are still not finalized but we have been actively engaged with the key stakeholders and partners in the redevelopment of the Dreamland site. The current plans are fully in accordance with their requirements and that of the planning remit for the site. The plans once submitted will be made publicly available and at which point the Save Dreamland Campaign members will be able to inspect them at the council’s offices. It would be unethical of us to show them to you before then particularly as the Save Dreamland Campaign is not a formal recognised organisation and has no formal structure.

We are pleased though that the Save Dreamland Campaign are enthusiastically embracing our current plans for the site this year. We may well use this in our advertising material.