Tourism

[EAS]

Bob - you read up a bit and then come back here to basically troll. You haven't any real idea what you are talking about, simply regurgitate stuff you have read elsewhere on the site, and make things up - it's very obvious - low level stuff without any substance or real intellectual clout - and I suggest to all that we laugh and then ignore.

Better to spend time writing about that fence than wasting time thinking Bob is involved in any way with Waterbridge or is talking out of anything but his rear end.

I so agree though that a major crappy development on the Dreamland site is not required.

This is a statement from a long and informed representation to a Public Inquiry which took place recently - a similar situation, a developer hoping to ruin a piece of our heritage in order to buid a 'commuter enclave':

New housing alone does not encourage the regeneration of towns – it holds the danger of making places dormitories which people leave first thing in the morning and return to last thing at night, without every properly investing in the area and its social networks. Reusing a building in the way that is proposed by xxxxxx xxxxxxx xxxxxx encourages people to visit an area, spend time there and support the shops and services within that area. This will have a much wider regenerative effect than new housing alone.

Interesting to see that in today's papers is an article about what makes people happy. Commuting long distances does not.

[Bob]

That is the generally accepted figure used for planing purposes for UK seaside resorts.

Bob, can you provide me with a reference for that generally accepted figure please?

There is no specific document that details this and it will of course vary are by area. If you take the Thanet area tourism generates revenues of about £140,000,000 from about 450,000 trips. 450,000 Residents would direct generate revenues of about£9 Billion and indirect revenues of about £100 Billion.

Mostly tourism generate low paid seasonal employment by developing the Margate infustructure good quality well paid jobs would be attracted

[EAS]

That is the generally accepted figure used for planing (sic) purposes for UK seaside resorts


There is no specific document that details this and it will of course vary are (sic) by area.

Bob - what absolute tripe you write really!

So this is the 'generally accepted' figure - except when it isn't? So who 'generally accepts' it and how do they know if it's true or not except when of course it isn't? Would you not hope those in charge of strategic planning would actually base such planning on specific, researched figures?

Otherwise - should they be in charge of such planning?


If you take the Thanet area tourism generates revenues of about £140,000,000 from about 450,000 trips. 450,000 Residents would direct (sic) generate revenues of about£9 Billion and indirect revenues of about £100 Billion.


Right - show us your references... put up or shut up - for all these claims!

Are you suggesting that houses should now be built for an extra 450,000 residents?

If so - where?


Oh you do amuse me! What an idiot!

[ricardobugsy]

I thought these new properties were gonna be aimed at housing commuters. (i.e. people who work outside of the Margate area!).

Maybe if they were actually creating businesses with high-paid jobs in Margate then that would be of some use to the local economy!

Large companies either tend to be drawn to central busy trading towns, or places where property prices are cheap, in order to keep their overheads down. Margate unfortunately does not fit into any of these categories.

I have not seen anything on offer for TOURISTS or EXISTING locals yet.
Just a few holiday appartments for rich townies.

I am not saying that the aim of trying to attract people with money to Margate is a bad one, it is just that these things do not happen overnight and that seafront area is currently lightyears away from being attractive.

It just seems like this new influx of people are being catered for at the expense of everyone AND everything else.

[EAS]

Well if these proposed houses on the Dreamland site are going to be blocks of flats, at high density, I don't think that will attract new and rich to Margate.

Why go there and then have a long commute? Makes little sense.

[Jim Douglas Jr.]

Yup. It's the cheapest, easiest thing Waterbridge can do to turn a profit.

[Jim Douglas Jr.]

.... which is what this is all about. How do you convince the owner of something to invest in it for long term gain when they have an easy and profitable option?
They own it, so it's up to us to convince anyone who will listen not to let them do as they please with it.
Without that open space we call Dreamland, Margate is just another town.
It ain't all that big to begin with, so it has to remain intact if Margate is to have an interesting future.

[ricardobugsy]

There are plenty of alternative sites where they could build a couple of acres of apartments!

Also there are plenty of areas where they could redevelop shop premises!
To sacrifice the entire Dreamland site for this use is a waste.
I know of nowhere that you could build another Dreamland in Margate and once it is gone, it is gone forever.

I believe that the MTCRC will push for as much retail as they will be allowed on the site.

The clue is in the name 'Margate TOWN CENTRE Redevelopment Company'. As Dreamland is clearly NOT the town centre, I can only assume that it is their intention to make it so.

Margate is clearly listed under 'shop spaces' on the Waterbridge website and has been for some time now.

[Bob]

There are plenty of alternative sites where they could build a couple of acres of apartments!

Also there are plenty of areas where they could redevelop shop premises!
To sacrifice the entire Dreamland site for this use is a waste.
I know of nowhere that you could build another Dreamland in Margate and once it is gone, it is gone forever.

I believe that the MTCRC will push for as much retail as they will be allowed on the site.

The clue is in the name 'Margate TOWN CENTRE Redevelopment Company'. As Dreamland is clearly NOT the town centre, I can only assume that it is their intention to make it so.

Margate is clearly listed under 'shop spaces' on the Waterbridge website and has been for some time now.

The redveloped Dreamland will still retain some space for amusements in keeping with the current level of demand for such facilities. The focal point of the amusement area will be the Scenic Railway this will be supplemented by a good selection of high quality childrens rides together with a creche. There is considerable demand for this type of facility which will improve patronage at Dreamland.

[EAS]

And here we have Bob making it up as he goes along again.

He actually has no idea of current plans for the site.

[Susan]

Before we have people 10 deep in the beds of Margate can I explain where the 2,500 figure was mentioned. Dan Anderson, as part of his presentation, gave examples of the way in which towns can regenerate ONE of which was to develop a strong independent retail sector. He went on to tell us that tourism was not a main factor in that particular one and it needed 2,500 residents for each tourist.
Perhaps Bob failed to take many notes at the sessions or hasn't read my report!

[uvegotmale2000]

quote="Bob"][quote="

The Scenic Railway over the last several years has deteriated considerable. As a listed structure it is limited as to what can be done to repair it. The costs of repairs would also be very high. In it's current condition the ride is not safe to operated and would not be granted a safety certificate.

Given the great age of the ride and it's historic importance it is now better to take the ride out of service and maintain it as a static structure. This will reduce the amount of further deteriation of the ride.[/quote]




well bob now your saying the scenic railway will be used with childrens rides.hmmm if you gonna lie try remembering which lies you have told.

bob busted again! you havent a clue!!

[Jim Douglas Jr.]

Ignore him.

He's a freaking, slobbering idiot.

By even answering him, you're giving him just what he wants: attention.