Dreamland not opening this year

The Save Dreamland Campaign was launched by Joyland Books in January 2003 and is now supported by several thousand people. This is the place to discuss all aspects of saving Margate's famous amusement park and its iconic , Grade II listed Scenic Railway, Britain's oldest roller coaster.

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Postby Bob » 19 Mar 2007, 19:10

EAS wrote:Yeah right - new street lighting and a lick of paint will do the trick. (Remind us when you were last in Margate Bob?)

What would have me flocking to Margate would be a re-opened and revamped Dreamland, with the Scenic as star attraction, under new ownership by someone capable of running the place.

I went to Blackpool recently - and I won't be returning again for a very long time actually. When were you last there Bob?

Shops and flats and 'mixed' use - well. I could go anywhere.


Personally I last visited Blackpool about 5 years ago. Yes it has seen better days and it is struggling to maintain visitor numbers but it is still a major attraction.

The UK holiday market has shrunk considerably and what visitor want has changed. Most people now visit the coast for a quite rest full break. Things like the quality of the accommodation, the scenery and facilities such as art galleries, museums etc are important. Amusement parks do not figure high on their requirements.
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Postby uvegotmale2000 » 19 Mar 2007, 21:19

and when was the last time u was in margate bob?
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Postby bluea61 » 20 Mar 2007, 08:07

I've read on more than a few occasions over the past couple of weeks that for various reasons the UK holiday market is on the up. It was a story on the BBC website but here is one source from last year that I found quickly:

http://www.globalnet.co.uk/news/article.asp?cat=Travel&aid=17115970

As I and many people have said, why build some big hotel if there is nothing to bring the visitors in.
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Postby EAS » 20 Mar 2007, 10:22

If I want art galleries and museums there are those in every city and many towns.

I visit the seaside for other reasons - and if Dreamland was back to being up and running, it's a place I'd want to go.

It's about local distinctiveness - not Clone Towns.

Here's Adam on that very subject on Radio Four (7.25 - Click to hear via the page link):

http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:kFe3 ... d=29&gl=uk
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Postby EAS » 20 Mar 2007, 20:08

And - this might just prove of interest:

http://www.britishresorts.co.uk/static/facts.asp


Facts About UK Domestic Tourism
The profile of the UK’s domestic tourism industry continues to grow, and it's not surprising given the diversity of product, the sheer scale of the activity, and its spectacular economic value. After years in the public policy wilderness, domestic tourism is now being recognised as a significant social and economic engine that firmly underpins the social and economic fabric of many of Britain’s rural and urban communities. Tourism employs significant numbers directly, but visitors also contribute to a much wider range of economic activities. Ironically, it took major past setbacks like foot and mouth disease to highlight just how ingrained the visitor economy is, and the impact that it has as a wider economic accumulator. Whether it is in keeping the village store in profit; maintaining the scale of market to justify vibrant local entertainment, restaurant and night life in towns; or simply the volume of trade needed to sustain quality retail in our major towns and cities, the visitor plays a key role.

Pleasant places to live and work are also, almost without exception, pleasant places to visit. We ignore at our peril the fact that visitors help fuel this virtuous circle of demand, provision and investment, often as much, and at times possibly more than, the resident population itself. Tourism’s roles and functions have now become far more apparent to Government at all levels. Consequently, central, regional and local government are far more willing to consider investing in physical regeneration and tourism management structures. This ensures that local residents and visitors can benefit from both the social and economic advantages that fall directly out of a locally healthy domestic tourism market.

Owing to changes in the UKTS methodology in May 2005 it is difficult to make direct comparisons with previous years, however, the headline figures for the domestic British market remain impressive. The British took 86.6 million domestic holidays in Britain in 2005, spending £14.5 billion. England accounted for 67.9 million of these holidays and £10.9 billion of the spend. In Wales the equivalent figures were 8.2 million holidays and £1.2 billion of the total spend, and in Scotland 9.5 million holidays generated £2.0 billion. UKTS data for 2006 will become available during 2007. More UKTS data can be found on the VisitBritain site www.tourismtrade.org.uk.
(Source: UKTS 2005.)

Within this socially and economically vital industry the biggest and most often unfairly maligned element is the coastal sector, including within it the larger traditional seaside resorts and popular rural coastal destinations. Their contribution to the national tourism volume and value figures are equally impressive, and worthy of individual note:
The British take 26.7 million seaside holidays in the UK, spending £4.9 billion. England accounts for 20.8 million of these seaside holidays and £3.9 billion of the total spend. In Wales the equivalent figures are 3.8 million seaside holidays and £0.6 billion spend, and in Scotland 1.7 million seaside holidays generate £0.35 billion. As a proportion of all holidays in England by the British, seaside holidays account for 31% of all holiday trips, 36% of all nights and 34% of all spend. In Wales, coastal holidays account for an even more impressive 47% of all holiday trips, 50% of all holiday nights and 49% of all holiday spend. In Scotland, because of the different product, coastal holidays account for a smaller, but nevertheless important, 18% of all holiday trips, 17% of all holiday nights and 17% of all holiday expenditure.
(Source: UKTS 2005.)

Of the top 10 towns and cities visited for one or more night’s stay in 2005/06, four were coastal resorts, including Scarborough, Skegness and Bournemouth. Blackpool came in second in the top 10 to London, with 1.6 million overnight holiday trips, beating iconic historic destinations like Edinburgh and York and the newly fashionable big city destinations of Glasgow, Manchester and Birmingham.
(Source UKTS, May 2005 – Apr 2006)

In addition to these overnight trips there were almost 270 million day visits made to the British coast, generating a further £3.1 billion spend. On average each trip was of 3.9 hours with an average party size of 3.5 people. However, almost 1 in 4 (24%) of all seaside trips were made by people travelling by themselves. Of these almost 270m seaside day trips, 200m were taken in England, generating a spend of £2.5 billion. There were 25m seaside day trips taken in Wales, with a spend of £0.2 billion; and 42m seaside day trips in Scotland, generating £0.3 billion. (Source: UK Day Visits Survey 2002-03)

Other interesting facts relating to the coastal sector are:

Britain is made up of 6,100 islands, of which 291 are inhabited. England and Wales, including their islands, have a coastline of 3240 miles (5214km). Scotland and its islands have a coastline of 5800 miles (9335km). Great Britain has a coastline of 9040 miles (14,549km). There are 5 coastal National Parks and 26 coastal Areas of Outstanding Natural Beauty in England, Wales and Northern Ireland. England and Wales have 45 Heritage Coasts measuring 950 miles (1,520km) – Scotland has no Heritage Coasts. The National Trust owns 555 miles (888 km) of coastline in Britain and 74% of their coastline is designated Heritage Coast. The adult resident population of the 43 principal seaside resort towns in England, Scotland and Wales totals 3.1 million, marginally more than the total population of Wales (2.9 million). The adult resident population of working age in the same 43 principal resorts was some 366,000 greater in 2001 than it was in 1971, the heyday of traditional seaside resort holidays. Over the same period, the total number of jobs available in these towns had also increased by a massive 320,000.

In March 2006 a record 393 UK rural and resort beaches were awarded the Seaside Awards by ENCAMS and its national equivalents (formerly The Tidy Britain Group) – 15 more than in 2005 and 201 more than in the mid 1990’s. The Seaside Awards recognise clean beaches that provide proper safety and first aid, access for disabled visitors, clean and well-maintained facilities, dog control and free public information. In addition, 136 resort beaches were awarded the European Blue Flag in June 2006, 18 more than in 2005. Blue Flags are not available to rural beaches; however, a new award to marinas was introduced in 1998 when 6 flags were awarded. In 2006 a total of 11 marinas in the UK had the Blue Flag. In 2007 ENCAMS are replacing the Seaside Award in England with a new Quality Coast Award, an award that will recognise many more types of beach and beach experience.

Facts and figures on other key market segments, including rural tourism, market towns, major pay for entry and free entry attractions, and city-based tourism are available via www.tourismtrade.org.uk
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Postby Lou » 20 Mar 2007, 20:42

Eas
That post you did with the radio 4 link was very heartening, hope others have listened to it, it was only on for a couple of minutes, but very postive
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Postby EAS » 20 Mar 2007, 20:59

I'll pass that on to Adam, thankyou - it was a very early start for him to travel to the studio. He said MR H was very nice. Adam is a keen supporter of the Save Dreamland and the Scenic Railway campaign.


www.savebritainsheritage.org
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Postby Strongbow55 » 21 Mar 2007, 01:55

Bob wrote:
EAS wrote:Yeah right - new street lighting and a lick of paint will do the trick. (Remind us when you were last in Margate Bob?)

What would have me flocking to Margate would be a re-opened and revamped Dreamland, with the Scenic as star attraction, under new ownership by someone capable of running the place.

I went to Blackpool recently - and I won't be returning again for a very long time actually. When were you last there Bob?

Shops and flats and 'mixed' use - well. I could go anywhere.


Personally I last visited Blackpool about 5 years ago. Yes it has seen better days and it is struggling to maintain visitor numbers but it is still a major attraction.

The UK holiday market has shrunk considerably and what visitor want has changed. Most people now visit the coast for a quite rest full break. Things like the quality of the accommodation, the scenery and facilities such as art galleries, museums etc are important. Amusement parks do not figure high on their requirements.


They could always make dreamland a Living museum the kind of museum that is popular all over the UK Look at beamish in Durham
ohhhhhhhh I forgot that would mean bringing back all the old rides in order for it to be authentic
With respect in the most polite way that I can say........BOB U ARE TALKING OUT OF YOUR ARSE!
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Postby EAS » 21 Mar 2007, 07:39

Actually I am starting to think Bob is really a keen supporter of the campaign. I reckon he posts such obviously arrant nonsense in order that we can then put forward genuine information, facts and figures for the wider audience who drop in to read this.

Without Bob, I possibly wouldn't have posted that info about seasides and visitors, for example, as I assumed everyone knew all that anyhow.

Now without Bob, would this forum be as lively and informative? Would we bother to post as much as we do?

Keep posting Bob. If nothing else you make us all laugh.
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Postby Jim Douglas Jr. » 21 Mar 2007, 18:21

...and barf.
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Postby Bob » 23 Mar 2007, 18:48

EAS wrote:And - this might just prove of interest:

http://www.britishresorts.co.uk/static/facts.asp


Facts About UK Domestic Tourism
www.tourismtrade.org.uk



Typical PR Tourism blurb, Claims to be facts but is actual very carefull to avoid the figures that show UK tourism is falling.
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Postby Vince, Charlie and Sam » 24 Mar 2007, 21:57

Bob wrote:
It is encouraging to see that a sense of realism is now setting in and that rather then go for something that is not achievable there is an acceptance that a compromise will have to be made.


What exactly is this compromise Bob?
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Postby EAS » 24 Mar 2007, 23:46

Can you point us all to the figures then Bob? You make these claims then never actually come up with the evidence...
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Postby Jim Douglas Jr. » 27 Mar 2007, 02:16

Ignore him.

This is just what he wants.
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Postby EAS » 27 Mar 2007, 06:55

It's a strange sort of attention seeking when you make yourself look a total ignoramous though!
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