The Developers Strategy.

[Neil]

In response to Bob's topic "Option C and Dreamland the Real Facts" I'm going to try and spot a pattern in the developers strategy.

1) The entire site will be sold to an amusement operator and developed as a state of the art amusement park (however option 'c' is apparently best for this because the developers don't believe option 'b' will allow them to ever build a gift shop!).
2) Most of the park will be sold to an amusment operator, however now a small portion will be developed as a farmers market".
3) The site will no longer be sold to an amusement operator but the entire site will be leased to showmen. Moreover the park will also include market stalls interspersed amongst the rides (like Fantasy Island).
4) Most of the site will be used as above however one corner will have a medium sized super market to serve the local area.
5) It's now been dcided that the above can not be viable and as such only a small amsuement area will exist around the Sencic Railway while the rest becomes a mixture of all weather leisure and retail

So far that is the latest but as can be seen the promises have gradually changed and each change goes against the Save Dreamland campaign. I'm not going to say this is all pre-planned as I realise we have to be careful what accusations we make, but if plans have changed this much so far how do we know the exisitng plan won't be replaced by another plan once the campign is over? The Save Dreamland vision has remained consitent, something we cannot say for the developers plan (if Bob's representation is accurate").

The reason I have made this topic is to demonstrate how each advancement on its own is not necessarily that drastic, but when you jump from idea 1) to idea 5) you see how vast the difference in their plans are.

All this suggests they can no longer be trusted and perhaps we may see many more changes unless the Council puts their foot down.

[Bob]

Well we have exciting Plans for Dreamland as a little bit of History Dreamland was at one time owned by Butlins about 1946

[Neil]

Don't worry Bob, I won't lecture you about grammar, but I don't quite see where the bit about Butlins fits in with the topic. All your other exciting plans for the park have ammounted to nothing and have been replaced by even more exciting plans (yes, that is sarcastic) so I won't hold my breath. If the plans were that exciting the development company would reveal them, as if we heard some genuinely exciting plans then we wouldn't campaign so hard. The fact these plans are to stay firmly under wraps suggests to me that perhaps we won't find them as exciting as you do.

Going a little off topic Bob you may have heard the results of the Thanete Gazette survey. If not then most people think Dreamland should stay an amusement park. Bearing the fact that most people want Dreamland to stay an amusement park will we still find the plans exciting?

[Alan]

Bobs back,
He now talks about history and not whats going to happen at Dreamland


Well neil has got it right, try again Bob.

[Bob]

Don't worry Bob, I won't lecture you about grammar, but I don't quite see where the bit about Butlins fits in with the topic. All your other exciting plans for the park have ammounted to nothing and have been replaced by even more exciting plans (yes, that is sarcastic) so I won't hold my breath. If the plans were that exciting the development company would reveal them, as if we heard some genuinely exciting plans then we wouldn't campaign so hard. The fact these plans are to stay firmly under wraps suggests to me that perhaps we won't find them as exciting as you do.

Going a little off topic Bob you may have heard the results of the Thanete Gazette survey. If not then most people think Dreamland should stay an amusement park. Bearing the fact that most people want Dreamland to stay an amusement park will we still find the plans exciting?

A part of the site will remain an amusement park. The rest will be redeveloped for other uses including retail and leisure.

[Neil]

Well the whole purpose of my post was to prove that the companies plans are so inconsistant we should take everything they say with a large pinch of salt. Bob, do you honestly believe this is the devlopment companies final plan or do you feel it might change yet again? How do we still know we can trust them?

Moreover Bob to repeat a question I asked before that was never answered what leisure activities other than an amusment park do you believe could be built on the site? Considering that as far as I'm aware the site currently has ten pin bowling, lazar quest, a cinema and extensive arcades then I'm a bit stumped as to what other leisure activites you could be refering to. There was a nicely themed miniture golf course but Jimmy Godden demolished that a few years ago because apparently it wasn't viable.

[vince69619]

A part of the site will remain an amusement park. The rest will be redeveloped for other uses including retail and leisure.

Ooh! Bob's on the run now.

So 'some' of the park is suddenly going to be what Bob says is a 'non-viable' amusement park. So how does that work as Bob has spent so much time telling us that these parks don't work any more, and there's no money in it?

So Bob, AGAIN, how can you make these claims. How do you know? Please do tell!

Vince.

[taffy]

Fantastic!!!!! I was wondering when we would read Bob's words of 'wisdom' again. I'm glad he's not let us down. Unsubstantiated waffle yet again. Show us your plans Bob - we can't wait!!!!

[ricardobugsy]

Well we have exciting Plans for Dreamland as a little bit of History Dreamland was at one time owned by Butlins about 1946

So its gonna be a holiday camp then?

[Chris H]

The future of dreamland is becoming quite clear if Bob's plans go a-head.
In my opinion The main aim is to destroy dreamland not all in one go but to break it up into chunks.
Bobs idea would work by filling 45/50% of the dreamland site with low cost trash which would prove 100% not viable.
By this time the council and the public would be convinced that the dreamland site would not be viable in the form that it is in. There for we all know who would get their own way and and houses would be built.

Please could you all comment on this view.
Thanks

Chris H

[Zoidstar]

and what would that be...

[Neil]

I fully agree Chris, what Bob (the developers?) are proposing is appeasement, and we all know what happened when the Western Allies tried to appease Hitler. I've told Bob this before and I'll tell him again. We're open minded but not to appeasement. While the development company continues to own any more than 50% of the land then there can be no chance of an amusement area with long term prospects.

Bob must think we're very gullible indeed to be trying to push us down that road. If they want half the site to be an amusement park then sell it to Philip Miller and then we may compromise on the other half.

[Bob]

Dreamland is fully committed to providing a modern Leisure park that will engage all parts of the community in a positive way. It will be sensitive to the needs of the disabled and other disadvantaged groups. It will provide a focus for Margate’s seafront. A real asset for both the local community and visitors alike. A facility Margate will be able to be proud of. An asset that will be of great value to local schools, colleges and clubs. We look forward to seeing you there once it has opened. To complement the Leisure Park there will be the Scenic Railway. After a workout in the Leisure facilities you will be able to take a ride on the spectacular scenic railway to finish your day out off and then take a meal in the first class Dreamland restaurant.

[jmace9]

Dreamland is fully committed to providing a modern Leisure park that will engage all parts of the community in a positive way. It will be sensitive to the needs of the disabled and other disadvantaged groups. It will provide a focus for Margate’s seafront. A real asset for both the local community and visitors alike. A facility Margate will be able to be proud of. An asset that will be of great value to local schools, colleges and clubs. We look forward to seeing you there once it has opened. To complement the Leisure Park there will be the Scenic Railway. After a workout in the Leisure facilities you will be able to take a ride on the spectacular scenic railway to finish your day out off and then take a meal in the first class Dreamland restaurant.

Bob please do not call your self Dreamland you recked that years ago you mean the property sharks is fully ............

[Neil]

Very true jmace9

To complement the Leisure Park there will be the Scenic Railway.

Thanks for that Bob as your post is really useful for my school work. We are currently doing the power of persuasion in psychology and there are a list of proven ways in which you can be persuasive or fail to be persuasive. One of the crucial points is consistency and if you can not be consistent with you line of augment you are never likely to be convincing. Less than a month ago you were telling us the entire site would be an amusement park and the development company only wanted option 'c' because they didn't believe they could build a gift shop under option 'b'. This line soon changed to only half the site being preserved as an amusement park. Now you tell us the only theme park ride will be the Scenic Railway, so how long will it be before you launch your next idea that involves demolishing the Scenic? Unless you can show some continuity you will never persuade anyone.

It will be sensitive to the needs of the disabled and other disadvantaged groups

How many times do I need to tell you Bob that an amusement park is more friendly to disabled people than an ice skating rink and pot holes (it quite frankly isn't efficle to chuck disabled Jehovah’s witnesses down a deep pot hole?

One last thing you neglect to mention is the super market. Remember your plans are for a mixture of leisure and retail. As

After a workout in the Leisure facilities

So that’s it is it? Your plans really involve keeping the Scenic (at least you claim they do but this is likely to change as it probably isn’t viable), a private gym and some housing and a super market. Well what a service you are doing to the people of Margate!